Rolling coins

Discussion in 'Share Your Creations' started by nm7s9, Oct 1, 2008.

  1. nm7s9

    nm7s9 Member Licensed User

    JUst a simple program, no instructions, just hit some buttons and see what
    shapes emerge.

    Equations curtesy of


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  2. Erel

    Erel Administrator Staff Member Licensed User

    Very nice!
  3. Cableguy

    Cableguy Expert Licensed User

    This brougth back so many memories.....
    As I was a kid, aged 6 or 7, there was this brand of chocolate powder, wich came with a scantilion, a ruler by wich we could draw on paper Exactly these shapes...
    As I did back then, today a spendt hours playing with the values and seeing the shapes being drwan in my screen....
    I was 7 again.... Thank you very much...
  4. taximania

    taximania Well-Known Member Licensed User

    Very nice work Nick :sign0188:
  5. Erel

    Erel Administrator Staff Member Licensed User

    There is a subtle bug in your code.
    You are using an endless loop and therefore the program will not stop until you close it with task manager (optimized compiled version).
    A simple correction is to use a global variable as a flag that breaks the loop when the main form is closing:
    Sub Globals
    'Declare the global variables here.
        Dim a, b, h, t, t1
    Dim x, y, xstart, ystart
    Dim showsmall, showlarge, showpole
    Dim waittime, inner
    Dim stop ' <---
    End Sub

    Sub App_Start

    '  Equations curtesy of
        stop = False
        Form1.Color = cBlack
        xstart = 
    120 : ystart = 120 
        xsmall = xstart : ysmall = ystart
    1 : showlarge=1 : showpole=1
        waittime = 
    20 : inner = 1
        form1.ForeLayer = 
    Do Until stop
    If showlarge = 1 Then
    End If
    If inner = 1 Then
                z = a-b
                z = a+b
    End If
    If showsmall = 1 Then
    End If
    If showpole = 1 Then
    End If
            t1 = t1 + 

    End Sub
    Sub Form1_Close
        stop = 
    End Sub
  6. specci48

    specci48 Well-Known Member Licensed User

    The "game" I had was called Spirograph.

    @nm7s9: Really nice program! :sign0060:

  7. nm7s9

    nm7s9 Member Licensed User

    Ok - thanks Erel.

    Is there a better way to plot a point than approximate it with a 2x2 block.
    A 3x3 block with its centre at the correct point is more accurate than what I've done but is too thick, A 1x1 line didn't show up on my screen at all.

    BTW I,40,20,40 shows that if your hula-hoop has a nail in it and is twice as big as your waist, then the nail is going to get you, always in the same place every second time round.

    Better get a bigger hula hoop, and better still, make sure it is not a intergral size bigger than your waist.

    I,46,20,46 makes some really interesting patterns and ensures that the nail strikes occurr evenly around your waist.
  8. Erel

    Erel Administrator Staff Member Licensed User

    You can use Bitmap.SetPixel from the ImageLib library.
    However it will be a little bit more complicated.
  9. Mr_Gee

    Mr_Gee Active Member Licensed User

    Real nice!

    Will you be enhancing it?
    - different sizes
    - different colors (agraham's color picker maybe)
    - multiple rings
    - a "stop" button
    - save as function (I think dzt had a nice image lib)

    I always wanted to have it as a kid... but never got it :'(
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2008
  10. klaus

    klaus Expert Licensed User

    Nice application.

    Reminds me also some souvenirs, having programmed something similar quite some years ago.

    Specci48, my daughter, once, got a similar game (also some years ago).

    I agree with Mr_Gee, you should continue in adding the features discribed by him.

    Another suggestions:
    - stop the drawing when it beginns to overlap (drawing the same lines)
    - by default when changing the small circle, put the drawing radius at the same value.

    Best regards.
  11. Cableguy

    Cableguy Expert Licensed User

    Please DON'T!!!
    Very nice effects can be achieved this way as the smaller coin rolls faster, than the drawing radius...
    if you Grow the coin to the radius, you will see that the effect is NOT the same...
  12. nm7s9

    nm7s9 Member Licensed User

    Ok - thakns all for the usefull sugestions. I've already put in the pole length default, and the stop loop on closure - I wondered why my computer was starting to struggle, task manager showed all those little rollers eating up the cpu.

    Mr Gee - I'm not sure what you mean by different sizes ??.

    Also by multilpe rings, do you mean multiple moving circles rolling inside or outside the fixed circle, or one inside and one outside or a combination.

    Also I have to be careful of pixel-estate since I want to allow the largest graph possible.

    PS - Kkaus - I promise to put in some effort with the icon editor to make a nicer icon for this. Still - if anyone has a premade nice one I could borrow ???

    Cableguy - I think klas intends that when you change to size of the movable circle you also reset the pole length equal to the new radius. You can still change the pole length again to be different to the new movable radius.

    Certainly I have found myself having to make identical changes to the pole after altering the movbable circle more often than I've changed the movable radius and wanted to leave the pole length the same.
  13. klaus

    klaus Expert Licensed User

    Have a look at specci48's link to wikipedia and you will understand Mr_Gee's suggestions.
    - You can make a first draw with a certain configuration of the 3 parameters, press Stop
    - Begin an other drawing, with an other color and an other configuration, without clearing the screen to superpose it to the first one.
    - And a 3rd, 4th and so on.

    In this case it would also be interesting to be able to choose the beginning point.

    Best regards.
  14. nm7s9

    nm7s9 Member Licensed User

    Here the next version with a couple of tiny changes.

    Bug fixes - form will now close properly

    Added Features:

    Exit button added

    Changing parameters will not clear previous graph (use clear button to do this).

    Lift/draw button added - if you want to make multiple changes to the parameters before starting a new graph then lift the pen, then hit draw to start drawing again when the parameters are all correct.

    When resizing the movable radius the drawing radius will default to the new size (this drawing radius can be altered independently afterwards if required)

    NB this default will be implemented optionally soon in an ini file.

    1)TODO list

    Option initialisation:
    a) - colours
    b)- drawing radius default
    c) - start parameters

    2) Colours:
    a) pen
    b) background
    c) circles/pole ??? ( I think these should stay ghosted)

    3) Better graphics - try to use setpixel to get a finer, more accurate line.

    4) Graph movement
    a) allow centre of drawing to move (Easy)
    b) allow "slippy map" functionality and gesturing (Hard)


    BTW This program started since discussing with my father about the envelope
    of the sliding ladder situation (see ladder.sbp) we found that the astroid could also be produced by rolling circles.

    PS - excuse the primitave nature of my coding - I may get better at it but after 30 years the chances are not all that good :sign0013:


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  15. nm7s9

    nm7s9 Member Licensed User

    TODO List

    Screen snapshot
    with and/or without paramater areas.
  16. nm7s9

    nm7s9 Member Licensed User

    One more version - before colours appear

    If the drawing is too slow on your device even after hitting + a few times then you can choose the otions form (while the pen is lifted) and drop the quality down from the default of 100 (to maybe 50 or so).

    On this form you can also disable the "pole sync" which defaults the drawing radius to to movable radius whenever the movable radius is altered.

    Colours will be next but will take some time as I want to make it simple yet flexable.


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  17. nm7s9

    nm7s9 Member Licensed User

    Here's a colour version (for desktop only).

    Beware - changing background colour wipes out the drawing.

    I've had to move the fixed circle to the forelayer so that it didn't intefere with the drawing bit I can't stop it flickering (any advice appreciated).

    Next I'll do the boring stuff such as save/load/snap etc

    I intend to allow save/store of a graph (A graph is the set of parameters used while drawing (i.e with pen down) since the last clear command)


    The graph will be saved, on closing to the savefile as "lastgraph". You can also save it to "favourite" or to a table of savedgraphs.

    On startup, lastgraph will load and start drawing. You can reload and redraw any user-named graph from the savedlist or the favourite graph.

    I'l also enable a snapshot of the screen, with or without the controls displayed, to disk or printer.

    I'll define a file for the user preferences to be created on first execution and used thereafter to save session status etc.

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  18. nm7s9

    nm7s9 Member Licensed User

    While searching for bugs in my program, I came across this one.
    It looks a bit like a trilobite. Does anyone know its name.

    Its number is
    I,10,30,10 ----- deltoid
    I,10,40,10 - ----astroid

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