Web Application Framework

[aeric]

Have you consider to develop a Web Application?

What would be your dream framework looks like or have the features that save you a lot of time?

Or just ask AI to generate for you?

 

[rabbitBUSH]

Well, having had a meeting with our financial adviser this last week -> and hearing from him the PROBLEMS that that sector is already experiencing from AI scammer, phishers, and blah blah I doubt I am ever going to ask AI anything.

What this man said was frightening really -> if you thought that spammers, phishers and blah blah had your private details -> think only once about the AI crowd -> he had a couple of bad experiences already -> so ask AI anything your're in the spider's web good and proper!

 

[Magma]

Have you consider to develop a Web Application?

What would be your dream framework looks like or have the features that save you a lot of time?

Or just ask AI to generate for you?

Well... i would love making anything I want with some clicks... and if it is possible to no need write a line of code... just drag n drop

 

[Magma]

Well, having had a meeting with our financial adviser this last week -> and hearing from him the PROBLEMS that that sector is already experiencing from AI scammer, phishers, and blah blah I doubt I am ever going to ask AI anything.

What this man said was frightening really -> if you thought that spammers, phishers and blah blah had your private details -> think only once about the AI crowd -> he had a couple of bad experiences already -> so ask AI anything your're in the spider's web good and proper!

Saw that at LinkedIn.... well, i think that the best Membership name if didn't got anyone is the "wife"... will be rule everything here

 

[aeric]

Well... i would love making anything I want with some clicks... and if it is possible to no need write a line of code... just drag n drop

I still skeptical on those no-code/low-code tools.

I prefer something where I can customize and have more control.

 

[Mark Turney]

If something seems too good to be true, it likely is … my take on AI.

 

[aeric]

The objective of this post is to collect opinion from members about what makes a good tool or template to quickly build a Web app.

I currently have Web API Server template where I use together with my other libraries such as Mini ORM and Velocity.
I just want to look for more input to improve my template which I call it EndsMeet.

Recently I am thinking how to make developing the Web UI or frontend easier and more flexible.

 

[EnriqueGonzalez]

I particularly like the approach Ruby on Rails is taking with their latest version: "One person framework":
this is a very good read on the topic: https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-one-person-framework-711e6318

AI is not the tool to solve all your problems but as for every tool, if you use it for what was made it for, then its a great tool!

 

[aeric]

One Person Framework is such a nice concept.
Similar to Laravel and Django, Ruby on Rails added a lot of plugins and dependencies which I feel is bloated. In JavaScript frameworks, they use a term call tree-shaking to remove unused dependencies. As for my preference, I want to build progressively from small to big by adding features one by one.

 

[aeric]

I have to find a workaround to make a MVC Web App framework using B4J as an IDE.
What I can do for now is using Strings Literal but it is not looking clean.

 

[Magma]

It is a way... and something, i prefer using it too, sometimes...

ofcourse it is better to use json, lists and maps and then create/generate the code... but is extremely difficult... need to think every detail...

 

[peacemaker]

No idea how may it be released, but dreaming about B4X\VB6-like "drag-n-drop" web-interface programming .
And also attaching the API endpoints to the chosen web-interface views.

 

[aeric]

B4X\VB6-like "drag-n-drop" web-interface programming

I can't imagine the web interface designed with Drag and Drop. No offence to other frameworks which claim able to do that.

Why I say so?
In modern web, we required to have responsive website. Imagine one or more card or box components positioned in absolute location on the page, this make them show out of places. This is why <div> and grid control are important. The CSS control the breakpoints and display accordingly on different sizes of device screen.

 

[Magma]

I can't imagine the web interface designed with Drag and Drop. No offence to other frameworks which claim able to do that.

Why I say so?
In modern web, we required to have responsive website. Imagine one or more card or box components positioned in absolute location on the page, this make them show out of places. This is why <div> and grid control are important. The CSS control the breakpoints and display accordingly on different sizes of device screen.

It is difficult, "yes" but i think it is possible... drag n drop with many "checks" (That means will be a very slow UI)

 

[peacemaker]

responsive website

Absolutely true. I like and use ABMaterial recently much, but i know nothing about CSS and JavaScript.
And now when project gets wider\bigger it is harder and harder to edit the long code of each web-page, adding new views... So, such dreaming is here...

 

[EnriqueGonzalez]

I have to find a workaround to make a MVC Web App framework using B4J as an IDE.
What I can do for now is using Strings Literal but it is not looking clean.

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I don't understand why you do it like this. If you have the velocity library, just write them as files and load them when needed (on release is just at the start, ok debug is everytime they are needed)

Then you can harness the flexibility of other ides like vscode

 

[aeric]

I don't understand why you do it like this. If you have the velocity library, just write them as files and load them when needed (on release is just at the start, ok debug is everytime they are needed)

Then you can harness the flexibility of other ides like vscode

I understand where are you coming from. Currently, yes. I am using Velocity the way you described.
But I wish to develop on one IDE. There is a "special" feature I am working on. Like what you shared, an "One Person Framework". You required less skill in other part like HTML, CSS and JavaScript to use a framework.

 

[yiankos1]

Have you consider to develop a Web Application?

What would be your dream framework looks like or have the features that save you a lot of time?

Or just ask AI to generate for you?

I am trying my first webapp. I am at early stages now. After a lot of searching in and out of that forum, i started doing this with ABMaterial. I think it is the best solution for now, because my html-css-js knowledge is about to zero. If things goes well with my CRM webapp, i will try with Bootstrap.

 

[aeric]

I am trying my first webapp. I am at early stages now. After a lot of searching in and out of that forum, i started doing this with ABMaterial. I think it is the best solution for now, because my html-css-js knowledge is about to zero. If things goes well with my CRM webapp, i will try with Bootstrap.

I don't like Material Design UI in my web app. That is why I don't use ABMaterial.

Edit: Can we change ABMaterial to use BootStrap?

 

[yiankos1]

I don't like Material Design UI in my web app. That is why I don't use ABMaterial.

It's ok, i just answered your question about my "dream" framework. For now, it is ABMaterial because it saves me a lot of time learning something from scratch.