Your Android will no longer be Yours come September... A FOSS post

Dr_JU

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While everything in the article is true... the reality is that:
  1. They have their own (kind of) "Global" legislation.
  2. They offer a SaS & Products "through their platforms," and you are always free to pay for it or not.
  3. If you do, you're bound by their service policies; if you don't... you're free to start your own Google-style company.
  4. If a government or bloc disagrees with your policies... it's free to refuse to provide its services and products there, turning your state into a "North Korea" at night.
  5. In such a hyper-connected world, governments will never say no to such a control tool. Especially in this post-truth era, where narrative is what moves the masses.
  6. Ordinary people don't care about these things; in fact, they encourage them to be this way because they want an apk that measures the "sound of their farts" without the Vatican, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, the NSA, and the FBI having telemetry of it.
  7. You're the bad guy! Because "who hides nothing... fears nothing", so what is your code hiding?
  8. Just as doctors, architects, and other professionals are "grouped" in colleges and guilds, paying fees & all that jazz... Programmers should be too! That's what people think.
  9. They don't want the APK to have risks of data leaks, etc. And if it does or were to have them... they could "initiate legal action" against the company and the indie developer(s).
  10. So... Since Google is the main player in the matter... It's the one that should take action on the issue.
This could be Linux's decade! Windows has literally "gone out of the chat", Apple is too expensive/exclusive, and "the competition" is over.

The real problem with Android is that it is too synergistic and symbiotic to be "combated," literally (at the programming level), it is like a paraplegia or quadriplegia.

Keep in mind that supply and demand are bidirectional, as is the cost-benefit relationship. Users, companies, and programmers all get "the best product and service at the best price".

If there's one thing that article isn't taking into account, it's that this measure directly impacts the world of programming as a profession, because it literally ties it to a "job." Because until now, as a solo team, freelancer or indie developer, you could make ends meet in the Android world. But with the emergence of AI and the "now everyone's a programmer" mentality...
Android is full of WebView/Browsers apps and web devs (because they're cheaper to hire), while native programmers are extremely expensive (three times the cost of a web dev).

So... if I corner the mouse... it's easier to catch it.

Humans are not geographical or ideological beings; they respond to basic stimuli (instincts), where self-preservation is paramount.


That is why he migrates to "better climates, lands, hunting grounds, etc". And he is capable of enduring employment contracts that reduce him to servitude. The rest is just "paraphernalia" to sweeten the deal (to convince oneself) that part of oneself that knows the truth of the situation, until it says; "It was the best decision". That's why a lie repeated 1000 times becomes a "great truth". That's also why any ideology is good as long as it fills your gut.

So...
  • Are you free from your own hunger?
  • Which side of the wall are you on?; Those who pray or those who make things happen?
  • What is your "best" decision/choice?
Because at the end of the day... You can fill out 500 forms, sign 1000 documents, march 20 km, endure 100 tear gas canisters, spend 2 months in jail... But Android will not belong to you.

Or you can start "making things happen" and make your own "Android" with whores and gambling.
 

bparent

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Or threaten to go to Apple to get Google to not make these changes.
 

Magma

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I think that is something will see everywhere not only at "Google's" products...

The world is changing... they are telling us - that that will keep us safe... but this safety will kill our freedom...

New ID's, new way of passwords, biometrics, security everywhere... now put those things under control of Bot's - AI - Robots... Matrix is very close...

just need to select the pill... but you must know - that reality is hard and difficult...

at the end - "money" will go at big companies... is not that they are better or have better solutions than ours - is the system and the game... their game.
 

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I wonder. Does this have to do only with KYC or does it involve also the NIS2?
 

hatzisn

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I think we will not have any consequences as programmers. In my Google play console a new option appeared. I can register there apps without having to pay any new fee to Google. All I have to do is just add package and sha256 (or sha1?) and then the app is installable. You must also add in Files folder in the appropriate file the snippet they will provide you. Then it is installable in all Android API levels. If we do these things then the process will be 100% the same I believe.
 

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You forgot there are lot of programmers out there, that build apps for themselves, friends, family, companies, as a hobby without having playstore. There are developers on this forum who do not have playstore account, but develop apps, send to people to test for them.

What Google basically is trying to do is, everyone must register their app through the playstore console, before they can even deploy apps on their own devices or for others. And playstore console is not FREE.
 

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Indeed I didn't think about it. But let me tell you the other side of the story. I received a call before 2 years that said there was a 600$ charging in my card and I had to talk with someone about it that they would connect me too. They did and he tried to bully me with threats for money laundering from the one that stole the number of my card and other shit trying to convince me to install an app in my phone. I almost bit the bate but at the last moment I asked him how do I know you are not the hacker? If Google's policy was active since then this sh*thead would not have the chance to do anything. As for the ones that are not registered with Google I really wonder what would they choose if they had to choose between 25$ and a totally secure environment that slams the door in the face of scammers, or a free environment and a totally empty account.
 
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I totally understand @Johan Schoeman and Nikos @hatzisn ...but i think there is nothing we can do, and for sure I think that isn't Erel's job to do something too...

It is nothing to do with $25... we gonna have big changes... and those 25$ will be 100$ and and may be per year...
I am also afraid that will not have the feature use devices as developers (like we can do now, at least not easily)..

Hope Google understand the danger copying Apple tactics..

The biggest fear i have... if B4A not works or stop updates in future... if Google decide to do other things...
 

Johan Schoeman

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I agree it is not @Erel 's job to do something but his guidance will be much appreciated as he is much closer to this than any of us - me thinks. How do we navigate this if we want to develop and deploy apps on customer devices when these restrictions are put in place? Can we still deploy apps without having to publish it on playstore? Should I just stop any development and kick it all into touch?
 

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Adding also.. and how "we" (me, you, anyone here) can help Erel if Google ask for something... (?)

that is something that Erel must know, that we are standing to him. He can ask for our help, anytime... I am sure that there are guys here with big wallet or we can help with other ways (sign something, make some noise etc)
 

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Johan Schoeman

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Can you please set this out in detail steps to follow? Most of us working on this every 2nd or 3rd weekend and not full time involved in developing apps as many of us have full time jobs far related to anything having to do with Android. I am running a company making barrier plastic packaging and only get to B4a/B4x when time allows. I need to install non-corrupt apps on customer devices (no internet required, not collecting any info and publish this on the internet , totally harmless ). I have a huge opportunity but do not want to publish this on BlackRock owned Google Play Store as it WIlL be copied and exploited to the nth degree.

Just my signed up customers should have access to this and I will personally load it onto their Android devices.

Had the first sale to a major company in the last two weeks (so, have a decent reference) for about Eur 1500- with annual renewal fee of about Eur 500-00. This is my retirement project and the opportunities are massive. Been working on this for at least the last 7 years and marketing landed the first mayor fish on the hook.

I don't do B4I so might be looking for someone locally to covert it to B4I if enough demand for that. But for now the two options are B4A and B4A. Big enough market for that as Andoid dominates the local market.

So, back to para 1 above....
 
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Erel

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What I understand:

1. If you have no problem to register and verify yourself with Google Play then you pay once $25 and you can distribute apps, outside of Google Play, after you register the package name with Google Play and upload the signing key signature. If you already have an app with Google Play then you are probably done the verification step by now.

There is another limited option, that doesn't require paying, which allows installing on up to 20 specific devices.

2. Enabling development mode on a device allows installing apps without limitations. The steps to enable development mode are a bit more annoying, with a one time waiting period of 24 hours.
 

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there again google may just be commiting commercial suicide .......
Like Apple did?
The EEUU forced all electronics manufacturers to equip their new devices with USB-C ports, so Apple did... hardware wise.... because, a non-apple usb-c cord will not give you access to what a apple official usb-c cord will with YOUR device... is it really YOUR device?

I am one of those that believe that, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear...

Still, from what I understood, side loading IS STILL possible, just harder AND SAFER for the user to get... 95% of smartphone users never even heard about side loading.
90% of those who do side-loading, are developers, using their own devices... so, what google aims to prevent, it the "mass" side loading of software that can be in so many ways bad at so many levels, and ultimately avoid being sued by a user who got their life destroyed by some "coder" that created a smart fishing (PUNNNNN) app
 

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Maybe Erel should explain this for us in detail how this will affect B4A (B4X plaform) developers that develop apps for an income or for a hobby.
It shouldn't affect anyone who is already properly registered on the developer console. In fact I didn't even have to register my apps - it was done automatically & I was sent a notification email to let me know that everything is set up as it should be.

- Colin.
 
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